Metabolic Dysfunction and Classes From the Largest Glucose Dataset within the World with Dr. Casey Means

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Katie: Hiya and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from, and this episode is all about metabolic dysfunction as the basis reason behind practically all illnesses and classes from the most important glucose information set on the earth. And I’m again with return visitor Dr. Casey Means, who’s a Stanford-trained doctor and the CMO and Co-Founding father of the metabolic well being firm known as Ranges. Her mission is to maximise human potential and reverse the epidemic of preventable power illness by empowering people with tech-enabled instruments that may inform good, customized, and sustainable dietary and way of life decisions. Her perspective has been featured in all the pieces from Wall Road Journal to the New York Occasions and far, way more.

And we get to go deep on this matter immediately. She actually explains tremendous comprehensively what metabolic dysfunction is and the markers that go into that. The 5 handiest and least costly checks you will get to get an excellent image of what’s happening metabolically in your physique, how glucose is an efficient metric right here as nicely, and the right way to use it to your benefit, and a lot extra. We speak about very actionable takeaways that everybody can do even with out the info to begin bettering metabolic well being, in addition to what to do if you’ll be able to get extra customized information by yourself physicality and what’s happening and the right way to use that to your benefit. She is so well-spoken and such a wealth of information. And like I stated, we get to go deep on a number of this immediately. So, with none additional wait, let’s soar in with Dr. Casey Means. Casey, welcome again. Thanks for returning to the podcast.

Casey: I’m so completely satisfied to be right here. Thanks for having me, Katie.

Katie: Nicely, I’ll hyperlink to our first dialog for anybody who hasn’t heard it already, however I do know we acquired to go deep on the subject of glucose, particularly in blood glucose, what we are able to study from it. And I’m excited to construct on that dialog with all the new data obtainable. I do know you guys have an incredible dataset that I consider is the most important on the earth on this matter. And there’s a lot we are able to use this actionable information to actually impression our lives in a constructive manner. To start out off, I do know that one of many questions I requested in prep for interviews is should you had been going to present a TED Speak in per week, what would it not be on? And I really like your reply since you talked about how underpowered cells, or principally metabolic dysfunction, is commonly the basis of practically all illness within the fashionable world. And I do know because of this you’re so passionate concerning the work that you simply’re doing with Ranges, however I might love to make use of that as a jumping-in level for our dialog immediately. In the event you might clarify just a little background by what you imply by that, and possibly among the components that come into play with metabolic dysfunction and the way that may exhibit in several methods in our lives.

Casey: Yeah, completely. So, the message that I actually… My objective in life actually to get throughout to folks is this concept that so most of the issues we’re combating in our world immediately, within the fashionable industrial Western world, so most of the ache factors going through our lives and the signs that we’ve got that then result in extra severe situations down the highway are basically all linked by the identical physiology, which is this concept of underpowered cells, basically metabolic dysfunction.


We’ve been listening to much more about this idea of metabolism and metabolic well being, metabolic dysfunction, blood sugar management over the previous couple of years, and it’s for good motive. And it’s as a result of what we’re actually studying is that the important thing causes of morbidity and mortality in the US in adults for certain, however even now extra so in youngsters, is metabolic dysfunction. And so, metabolism is how we convert meals vitality to mobile vitality in our our bodies. We now have 37 plus trillion cells in our physique, and all of those trillions of cells each second collectively are doing trillions and trillions of chemical reactions. And principally, our life and our well being is the effervescent up of all of those chemical reactions. And all of them principally must be paid for. All these chemical reactions must be paid for with mobile vitality.

And zooming again to highschool biology, that mobile vitality is ATP. It’s this molecule that principally is how we pay for all these mobile reactions. And that vitality, that mobile vitality, is constituted of meals being transformed to mobile vitality. And this idea of metabolic dysfunction principally is that we’re having an issue proper now in our our bodies changing that meals vitality to mobile vitality, which signifies that we principally have underpowered cells. The rationale that’s the basis of so many situations that we see immediately that generally appear totally different, prefer it’s generally, you realize, it’s complicated to be like, nicely, how is Alzheimer’s dementia basically the identical or much like sort 2 diabetes or infertility or erectile dysfunction or stroke or coronary heart illness or retinopathy or power kidney illness or power liver illness or gout or despair or anxiousness. Nicely, the truth is all these situations we all know now are both attributable to or accelerated by underpowered cells metabolic dysfunction. So, the explanation for that is that we’ve got over 200 cell varieties in our physique. And what’s attention-grabbing is that every one these cells, in fact, got here from one cell, a fertilized embryo, and was 200 totally different cell varieties. And that’s cell varieties in our eyes, cell varieties in our brains, cell varieties in our blood vessels, there’s all these totally different cells, however all of them want vitality to operate correctly. And so, when you will have a basic downside taking place everywhere in the physique, a extremely core basic physiologic challenge like metabolic dysfunction, basically the issue in changing meals vitality to mobile vitality, it could appear to be virtually something relying on what cell sort it’s exhibiting up in. So, if it’s taking place in a blood vessel, it might appear to be a blood vessel associated challenge like coronary heart illness or stroke. If it’s taking place in a mind cell, relying on what sort of mind cell that’s, it might appear to be Alzheimer’s dementia, fibromyalgia, despair, anxiousness, migraine, all situations we all know are linked to metabolic dysfunction. If it’s taking place in ovarian theca cell, it might appear to be polycystic ovarian syndrome, the main reason behind infertility in the US, which is a metabolic illness. If it’s taking place in a blood vessel of a penis, it might appear to be erectile dysfunction. So principally, it’s a core physiology, a disturbance exhibiting up in all these totally different cell varieties, wanting like all these totally different illnesses. However what we basically want to understand is that these are branches of the identical trunk. And in medication in America immediately, we’ve got to begin treating the trunk of the tree versus what we’re doing proper now, which is basically enjoying whack-a-mole with all these totally different branches. And we’re probably not getting very far.

And so, we’re coping with this huge challenge proper now in the US the place folks, Individuals, are getting sicker yearly. Power illness charges are going up for nearly each main illness yearly. And that is regardless of the truth that we’re spending extra money on healthcare yearly as people and as a rustic. We’re spending over $4 trillion on healthcare yearly. That quantity is astronomical. It’s 20% of the most important GDP in the whole world in human historical past. And as we spend extra, illness charges are going up, and life expectancy goes down. So that’s the definition of it, principally an ineffective method and an unsustainable method. And so, my actual thesis that I really feel that’s actually my function to share and why it will be my TED Speak is as a result of I believe the explanation we’re seeing these dynamics is as a result of we’re basically approaching the unsuitable downside. We’re basically approaching every illness as if it’s a separate siloed factor when actually needing to deal with the basis trigger and the factor that connects these illnesses, which is metabolic dysfunction.


And it’s one thing that, up till lately, we haven’t actually been in a position, we haven’t actually recognized it as a result of the science has come a great distance over the previous 50 to 100 years. We used to have the ability to characterize illnesses based mostly on the signs that emerge. And naturally, should you’re taking a look at signs as a approach to outline illness, sure, liver illness seems totally different than Alzheimer’s illness, and that appears totally different than gout. So, in fact, we deal with it otherwise. However now by genomics and cell signaling evaluation and proteomics and all these items that we’ve type of, we now are in a position to actually see contained in the cell extra on a analysis degree. We now know that there’s truly this core physiology that’s resulting in a number of these fashionable illnesses. And we have to principally modernize the way in which that we deal with based mostly on that understanding. Nevertheless it’s fairly broadly recognized that it takes virtually 20 years for analysis understanding to make it into medical apply. And we’re in that messy center proper now the place the science is healthier understood, however we’re not treating that manner. We’re nonetheless treating reactively the signs, and that should change. So, sufferers, I believe, want to actually empower themselves to grasp this unifying metabolic principle of illness and work to each perceive and enhance their metabolism in order that they’ll have their very best well being and thrive.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. It’s so essential. And this transformation that we’re seeing in healthcare and the way folks, such as you talked about, we’re getting sicker every year regardless of placing extra money sources towards this, regardless of rising consciousness even in some methods about this. And for me, studying the statistic that, for the primary time in two centuries, the present era of youngsters may have a shorter life expectancy than their mother and father was so staggering. That was a big a part of why I began with Wellness Mama and why I’ve been on this world for 15 years now’s as a result of that stat to me is unacceptable for our youngsters. And I really feel just like the work you guys are doing can be very impactful in serving to change that statistic, particularly now with, as we talked about in our first episode, there’s higher entry to issues like wearable information, to understanding our glucose, to having the ability to run labs, even when we don’t have a health care provider who’s completely aligned in our space. There’s a lot entry, but additionally that may develop into overwhelming while you get information however you don’t essentially know the right way to make it actionable. So, I really like that you simply guys are placing all these items in place to make information actually actionable for folks. And I’d like to delve into that as a result of I do know you’re additionally now in a position to have a look at biomarkers in a really particular manner in methods which can be very impactful, particularly when paired with glucose to create measurable adjustments in folks. So, I might love so that you can break down at what you’re discovering on the biomarker degree and what folks can study from that information that they’re in a position to now get individually.

Casey: Completely. So, you realize, our mission at Ranges is to reverse the metabolic illness epidemic. And that’s why we began the corporate. Our actual perception is that to reverse this monumental development we’re seeing in metabolic dysfunction, the first step is folks want to grasp their very own degree of metabolic well being, after which they’ve to grasp the right way to enhance it. And sadly, a number of that’s not coming from the medical doctors for the explanations we talked about. We’re simply behind. An unbelievable statistic is that, however that has basically been proven in two impartial analysis research over the previous 4 years, is that over 90% of American adults now have no less than one biomarker of metabolic dysfunction. That was 88% about 5 years in the past. After which, as of analysis from a few yr in the past, that’s gone as much as 93.2%. And so, this isn’t a fringe challenge. That is affecting virtually everybody. What’s so, I believe, essential for each individual is to determine if they’ve any biomarkers of metabolic dysfunction that they want to pay attention to. And so, what we’re doing at Ranges is aiming to democratize entry to that information as a result of it may be generally really feel like pulling tooth inside the healthcare system to attempt to get scraps of knowledge. However my perception is basically that everybody strolling round ought to be capable to say with certitude, I’m or I’m not metabolically wholesome, and I do know what I have to do by way of my weight loss program and way of life to work on this and to get this in the appropriate course.

So, we do that in two methods at Ranges, each of which I believe are actually essential and which I hope the healthcare system will undertake as a part of mainstream. One is blood-based biomarkers. So, these are single time level measurements that get drawn out of your blood that principally let you know a really clear snapshot of a pillar second in time, that is how I’m doing with metabolic well being. After which the second piece of knowledge that we give entry to is steady glucose monitoring. In order that’s a sensor that you simply put on on the again of your arm that tells you truly, 24 hours a day, seven days per week, what’s taking place along with your blood sugar ranges. And the blood sugar ranges are an ideal real-time biomarker as a result of they’re a readout of how your metabolic well being is, as a result of in case your metabolic well being is dysfunctional, in case your cells are having problem principally with that food-to-cellular vitality conversion course of, then what’s going to occur is that the cell is basically going to dam glucose from coming into it as a result of it’s basically overburdened. It may’t do this course of effectively of changing meals vitality like sugar to ATP. So, the cell blocks the entry of glucose, of sugar into the cell. That’s insulin resistance. And blood sugar ranges will rise.

And so, blood sugar is that this wonderful biomarker that may inform us like a readout of whether or not there’s issues with metabolism within the physique. And by monitoring glucose in real-time on this extra steady movie-like manner, you can begin to see which meals and which way of life habits are both inflicting large swings and fluctuation in glucose or conserving it extra steady. And finally, we need to hold it extra steady and in a low and wholesome vary as a result of that’s an indication that metabolic well being is being supported. And so, combining these pillar blood-based biomarkers to present you a way of that is how I’m doing general by way of my studying the tea leaves of metabolic well being with my blood-based biomarkers. After which a real-time instrument like a glucose monitor that’s supplying you with real-time biofeedback on particular person decision-making to maneuver in the appropriate course. These two collectively, I believe, are basically transformational in each understanding the place you stand and understanding the right way to enhance.

So, by way of blood-based biomarkers, there’s plenty of totally different checks that may give you want a clue of metabolic well being. The way in which I take a look at it’s that there’s most likely like eight to 12 checks that collectively a extremely seasoned metabolic health-focused physician might take a look at all of them together and once more, like learn the tea leaves and kind of, so I’d say like that checklist can be fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C, fasting insulin, triglycerides, HDL ldl cholesterol, uric acid, ApoB, hs-CRP, an inflammatory marker, and definitely liver operate checks. So, like AST and ALT. And there’s one other check I actually like known as GGT, which is a liver operate check that truly tells you about oxidative stress. So, should you may give me, like, after which having blood stress, not a blood check, however blood stress and waist circumference as nicely, these may give you one other sense. However these 10 checks or so collectively, in case you have all of them and may take a look at all of them collectively, you’ll be able to just about say whether or not somebody’s acquired an issue with metabolism or not. What we did at Ranges is we took 5 of these checks, which is insulin, ApoB, triglycerides, uric acid, and hemoglobin A1C, and we labored with our medical advisory board to say like, okay, with these 5 checks, you will get a extremely clear sign of like, whether or not there’s issues with metabolism. And I’m completely satisfied to speak by the checks like briefly individually if that might be useful.

Katie: Yeah, let’s do this briefly as a result of I might guess most individuals have heard of these checks, or no less than most of them. However I believe the relevance to metabolic well being is basically essential to focus on. And a few of them aren’t frequent on a number of simply panels that somebody maybe has had run earlier than by a health care provider.

Casey: Yeah, yeah. So, I’ll begin with fasting insulin. So fasting insulin, I might say, might be a very powerful metabolic well being you will get. If somebody stated you need to get one check, I might say it will be fasting insulin. The rationale for that, so insulin is the hormone that’s launched when blood sugar rises. Insulin principally binds to the floor of a cell to the insulin receptor after which permits glucose to enter the cell in order that it may be processed by the mitochondria into vitality. If there’s extra, that glucose will typically be saved as fats. We talked just a little bit about this, however when the cell is overburdened, and the cell has metabolic dysfunction, which usually means the mitochondria is struggling to maintain up with the inflow of glucose and convert it to vitality, the cell will put a block up known as insulin resistance, which basically blocks that insulin sign from permitting glucose into the cell as a result of the cell is overburdened. The cell can’t course of extra of that glucose, so it blocks it from coming in, and that glucose will then rise within the bloodstream.

So, the explanation fasting insulin is such a invaluable check is as a result of it’s basically exhibiting you from a extremely early stage that the cells are overburdened. There’s most likely mitochondrial dysfunction happening. That metabolic conversion course of will not be working correctly, and the cell is placing a block as much as glucose getting into. The way in which the physique responds in a short time is by releasing extra insulin into the physique to attempt to overcome that block. And that appears like rising fasting insulin on a blood check. And the explanation I believe that’s truly much more invaluable than testing a fasting glucose degree, the blood sugar, is as a result of the physique truly, in releasing that extra insulin to beat insulin resistance, it could truly overcompensate for a very long time. And by pumping out plenty of extra insulin, it could truly pressure the cell to push the glucose into the cell, despite the fact that the cell’s principally saying, we don’t need it, we are able to’t deal with it. And there’s been attention-grabbing analysis exhibiting that insulin resistance might be brewing within the physique, and fasting insulin might be rising for over 10 years earlier than fasting glucose rises. And in order that’s a time of compensation the place the physique is principally churning out extra of this hormone, forcing the glucose into the cell earlier than you truly see a change within the glucose ranges. In order that’s a window the place we might catch early insulin resistance the place the fasting glucose check will not be going to select it up. Sadly, we don’t check fasting insulin in our standard medical apply. It’s a check you need to actually request specifically or get exterior the system. And there’s a number of motive for this, but it surely’s one in all, I believe, the most important blind spots in medication proper now. We’ve acquired a state of affairs the place 50% of American adults now have pre-diabetes or sort 2 diabetes, that are each situations of insulin resistance. And we’re not testing for the earliest marker of insulin resistance. It’s so, so, so unusual. In order that’s one which I might say ask your physician for it or get it by a particular lab exterior the system. It’s essential.

The vary that, then there’s a second challenge, which is that even should you get the check, a number of the labs will report these ranges which can be actually lenient. They usually’ll principally say on a lab slip that something lower than 25 milli use per milliliter is taken into account regular for a fasting insulin. However based mostly on our greatest evaluation of the analysis and coordinating with our wonderful advisory board of metabolic specialists, it truly seems {that a} fasting insulin of about two to 6 is perfect. And actually while you begin getting above like six milli use per milliliter, threat begins going up. So first, you bought to get the check, then you definitely’ve acquired to determine the right way to interpret the check in just a little little bit of a tighter vary. However should you can see that your fasting insulin is beneath that six vary, within the two to 6 vary, that’s a extremely good signal that your cells are metabolically completely satisfied, your physique’s not churning out extra insulin on account of insulin resistance. And it’s only a actually, actually invaluable sign that your physique is working correctly metabolically. In order that’s fasting insulin.

One other wonderful check that goes hand in hand with that, which is a part of our 5 biomarkers that we’ve chosen as triglycerides. So, triglycerides is a kind of fats within the blood. It’s each a storage type of fats, and it’ll be discovered within the bloodstream that’s created when extra glucose is transformed to fats. So, the physique doesn’t need simply tons and tons of additional glucose floating round. It must put the surplus glucose someplace so it may be transformed to triglycerides and saved in fats cells or present in circulation. And so, triglycerides is one other signal that there’s some downside with how the physique is changing meals vitality to ATP and it’s making an attempt to place it someplace. So, it places it so should you begin seeing an elevated fasting insulin and an elevated triglycerides, you’re beginning to see a sign that the physique’s overwhelmed and it’s not processing this vitality correctly.

Hemoglobin A1C can be a extremely invaluable check as a result of that is truly a snapshot of extra of like a long-term image of how glucose ranges have been. So, hemoglobin A1C is referring to hemoglobin, which is, in fact, a part of the crimson blood cell that carries oxygen. How a lot of that molecule within the blood has sugar caught to it principally? So, glycation is the method of sugar sticking to totally different molecules within the physique. And when concentrations of blood sugar are excessive, they’re going to stay to issues extra. And we are not looking for sugar to stay to issues within the physique. It principally creates like rusting of the physique. And so, hemoglobin A1C is basically a proportion of hemoglobin molecules within the physique which have sugar caught to them. And we don’t need sugar caught to something, actually. So glycated hemoglobin. And in order that’s expressed as a proportion. The usual ranges say that we wish our proportion to be lower than 5.7% glycated hemoglobin. That’s the traditional vary. Something above that’s thought of pre-diabetic. What we truly most likely need optimally is between about 5 and 5.4% of glycated hemoglobin. That’s most likely the healthiest vary. And so, as a result of crimson blood cells stick round within the blood for about 90 to 120 days, this proportion truly provides us a long-term snapshot of common glucose ranges over the course of 90 to 120 days. That’s fairly helpful. It doesn’t give us a lot of a way of what the fluctuations in glucose are day-to-day. That’s what a steady glucose monitor would let you know. Nevertheless it provides you identical to a world sense of how a lot sugar has been sitting in my bloodstream. So, we wish that proportion to be decrease.

ApoB is the fourth check that we do. And this can be a actually attention-grabbing check. It’s a part of what we name a sophisticated ldl cholesterol marker. It’s not usually examined in normal apply. However everybody’s most likely acquainted with the idea of LDL ldl cholesterol, which generally we name dangerous ldl cholesterol. However there’s truly, what we actually care about is how a lot ldl cholesterol is floating across the bloodstream that we all know can contribute to coronary heart illness or plaques or blockages within the blood vessels. And that’s truly extra than simply LDL. To start with, there’s several types of LDL, some which can be extra more likely to promote coronary heart illness and blockages than others. After which there’s these different molecules like intermediate density LDL and VLDL, very low-density LDL. And so, there’s these totally different particles within the bloodstream that we simply don’t speak about in our normal ldl cholesterol panel. ApoB is definitely a protein that wraps round these ldl cholesterol particles when they’re floating by the bloodstream. And ApoB is the precise protein that occurs to be on all the center disease-promoting particles. So, it’ll be on IDL particles or LDL particles. And so, what it does is it principally provides you a extra full image of what number of particles within the bloodstream are atherogenic or principally pro-heart illness. And so, some medical doctors are favoring ApoB as a extra exact check of how most of the true dangerous ldl cholesterol are within the bloodstream and possibly a greater sign than LDL. In order that’s why we included it on our panel versus simply LDL ldl cholesterol as a result of it’s extra all-encompassing for different forms of dangerous ldl cholesterol.

After which the final one is uric acid. Uric acid is a extremely attention-grabbing check. We regularly hear of it in relation to gout, however it’s truly a lot extra broadly related than simply for individuals who could or could not endure from gout. It’s truly an important cardiac and general metabolic marker. And uric acid might be raised in a number of totally different mechanisms. One is definitely a by-product of fructose metabolism. So, we’re consuming astronomically extra fructose as one in all our types of sugars in our weight loss program now than we ever had been in historical past. Excessive fructose corn syrup was invented within the Nineteen Seventies. And since then, persons are consuming about 3000% extra fructose than we had been previous to the invention of excessive fructose corn syrup. So, we’ve simply had this astronomical rise in such a sugar within the physique, which is inflicting enormous burdening to our programs. And when fructose is damaged down by our cells, one of many byproducts is uric acid. Uric acid can then go on to trigger issues in our cells by truly damaging our mitochondria and promote cardiovascular issues by a number of totally different mechanisms. So uric acid is a sign of extra fructose within the bloodstream, which we all know is simply deeply metabolically damaging. It additionally might be elevated by what are known as purine-rich meals. And so, these embody animal merchandise like meat, beer, and sure shellfish. And so, excesses in a few of these issues may result in improve in uric acid. After which alcohol usually can result in will increase in uric acid. However I’d say, usually talking, of the issues which can be contributing to excessive uric acid within the common American, I’d say that the large consumption of fructose within the type of liquid sugars and sodas, vitality drinks, frappuccinos, processed meals, fructose is now actually all over the place. And in order that’s an enormous contributor to uric acid. In order that’s an indication on a lab check that the weight loss program actually must be like thoughtfully cleaned up. And it’s one that may change quickly with changes in weight loss program.

So these 5 checks collectively may give us an actual sign of how issues are going metabolically within the physique. And I might say that, these are good to know like each 4 months or so, each quarter principally should you can, as a result of in case you are, to begin with, should you’re staying within the optimum vary for all of those checks, it’s an ideal signal that your cells are powered correctly and the weight loss program that you simply’ve chosen and the life-style plan that you simply’re following is like working nicely. It’s an ideal confirmatory sign that no matter plan you’re on, it’s working. And that’s actually reassuring. I believe so many people are so confused about, am I consuming the appropriate weight loss program? Ought to I be plant-based? Ought to I be carnivore? Ought to I be omnivorous? Like, ought to I do that plan? And it may be so overwhelming. And what I say is, simply check, like check your metabolic biomarkers. And in the event that they’re in an ideal and wholesome vary and also you’re feeling good, you’ll be able to really feel assured that what you’re doing is working. And in the event that they aren’t in an optimum vary, then that’s an ideal start line to make some changes after which retest in a number of months. And in the event that they’re not transferring in the appropriate course, then you definitely most likely want to alter your plan once more. Prefer it’s actually that easy. I’m on the level the place I refuse to argue about dietary dogma or this, as a result of everybody’s totally different. And actually you simply have to know what’s happening in your personal physique after which make constant tweaks and observe them over the course of some and do them for a number of months after which retest. And it’s actually so simple as, is it getting higher? Is it getting worse? Or is it staying the identical? And based mostly on that data, you can also make extra tweaks. In order that’s why I believe testing like that is so invaluable. And you are able to do all these checks for $99 and have a number of actually useful details about the place you stand. So these are the 5 that I believe are actually, actually essential to know in each individual.

Katie: And I really like this as a result of I say typically on right here, on the finish of the day, we’re every our personal main healthcare supplier, and we are able to work with medical doctors and practitioners, however that accountability nonetheless lies inside us. And I really feel like instruments like this assist us to have higher information and higher entry in making choices which can be aligned in changing into our personal main healthcare supplier. And I believe, like I stated, this information is invaluable, and naturally, could be very far reaching. Such as you defined with the labs, these aren’t simply single markers that let you know one factor. These are very far-ranging and may give you perception into plenty of issues taking place inside your physique. And I do know lots of our listeners are girls and mothers particularly. And I do know that one other space this could present up is within the hormone realm, that there might be an impression with metabolic dysfunction and hormone regulation. And definitely, that might be relevant in instances like being pregnant and postpartum, but additionally, for many individuals listening, the perimenopause and menopause age is an enormous space of shift. And as you talked about these biomarkers, I do know, as an example, that girls’s heart problems threat rises once they undergo menopause and that lots of these shifts can result in different issues within the physique as nicely. So, I might love to talk for a minute to the hormone facet of that and the way these markers come into play with fertility, with hormones, and the way, in fact, that pertains to how we feel and look as nicely.

Casey: Completely. Yeah, I believe that it’s so wonderful. You simply alluded to this truth about that heart problems goes up for ladies after menopause. And I believe that that is one other one of many largest blind spots in medication. Coronary heart illness is the primary killer for ladies in the US, and it’s a metabolic illness. You already know, girls are going to, after menopause, girls principally begin to outpace males on a number of the metabolic illnesses. In order that’s like weight problems, sort 2 diabetes, coronary heart illness, and Alzheimer’s dementia. And but, this isn’t a phrase or a subject that will get introduced up in these medical doctors’ appointments round menopause, and even within the 30s and 40s while you’re making ready for this time, when estrogen goes to drop, and that’s going to place you at a lot greater metabolic threat. And so, I’m simply so grateful for platforms like yours which can be speaking about a number of these items as a result of we’re simply not getting it from the mainstream.

So, beginning, let’s say, within the 20s and 30s within the fertility dialog, it’s so unimaginable how a lot it’s linked to metabolic well being. The main reason behind infertility in the US is polycystic ovarian syndrome. And polycystic ovarian syndrome, what we perceive is that it’s very a lot rooted in metabolic dysfunction. It truly, the NIH in 2012 was going to alter the identify of PCOS to multi-system, a multi-system metabolic endocrine dysfunction. They usually didn’t change it. And I believe it truly would have been constructive to alter the identify as a result of not many individuals like polycystic ovarian syndrome, it’s exhausting to know what which means. However, like actually calling it what it’s, which is sort of a metabolic hormonal dysfunction, like actually helps folks determine like the place they should method. So, when insulin ranges are excessive within the physique, and we are going to speak about why it will be due to insulin resistance, that insulin truly indicators a cell within the ovary known as the theca cells of the ovary to supply extra testosterone. So, like androgens and what we usually consider as male hormones. And so, when insulin stimulates the ovary to supply extra testosterone, that basically disturbs the fragile steadiness between testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, all of the intercourse hormones which can be so finely tuned. So, this, in fact, impacts menstruation, it impacts ovulation, it impacts a number of different issues within the physique too, like selling zits and midline weight problems and hair progress, issues that you simply would possibly what’s known as hirsutism, which is basically masculinizing options and issues like that.

So, there’s all these items that trickle down from basically hyperinsulinemia, excessive insulin ranges. So, there’s been some wonderful analysis that exhibits that like 12-week interventions with girls which can be principally centered on dietary and way of life interventions that concentrate on actually getting the insulin ranges down, so like actually top quality, low glycemic weight loss program patterns over the course of 12 weeks, can completely remodel the hormone steadiness. You get the insulin down, you get the stimulation of the testosterone down, and a number of the opposite hormones fall into place, signs decline, durations develop into extra common. So, there’s a number of hope right here, and the reason for the excessive insulin ranges in a number of these girls, it’s multifactorial. There appears to be a genetic part, there’s simply dwelling in America, it places us in an uphill battle from the life-style perspective due to the way in which that our meals tradition is, but it surely’s multifactorial, genetics, way of life, all these items, however no matter how a lot it’s weighted in the direction of genetics or way of life or no matter, it nonetheless seems that these interventions centered on getting insulin ranges down actually, actually assist. In order that’s actually constructive. However by some research, as much as 26% of ladies globally of childbearing age are coping with PCOS. So this isn’t a tiny challenge.

After which, as you get in the direction of these perimenopausal years, there’s actually attention-grabbing analysis exhibiting that principally menopausal signs additionally correlate with metabolic dysfunction. So, menopausal signs like sizzling flashes at night time and sleep disturbances and a number of these items that basically impression high quality of life, temper. There’s been fairly a little bit of analysis exhibiting that these actually correlate in lockstep with diploma of basically blood sugar dysregulation. So, whether or not that’s a trigger or impact, it’s not totally understood just like the causality, however there appears to be a transparent development of the more severe the menopausal signs are, the more severe the metabolic well being is. And if we are able to hold the blood sugar ranges down and hold the metabolic well being in examine, the thought can be that this might doubtlessly presumably in truth impression menopausal signs, though much more analysis must be executed with that. However, you realize, whether or not a blood sugar spike and crash can set off vasomotor signs like sizzling flash, like there’s some analysis to counsel that there is perhaps a hyperlink there.

So definitely, any intervention centered on conserving blood sugar in a decrease and more healthy vary, conserving it extra steady, might be a possible adjunctive modality to maintain these signs extra in examine. And Dr. Sara Gottfried wrote an incredible e book known as Ladies, Meals, and Hormones that talks quite a bit about this and basically the right way to actually prep for menopause by changing into as metabolically wholesome as doable to hopefully ease among the signs that may be so troublesome.

Ladies after menopause, like we talked about earlier, type of go off a metabolic cliff. Estrogen tends to be protecting with regards to metabolic well being. And so, when that drops quickly, insulin resistance does go up. And so, I’m 36 now, and a number of how I take into consideration the following 10, 15 years for me is considering the right way to basically get myself into the very best form doable earlier than going into that transition as a result of it doesn’t matter what, irrespective of who you’re, there’s going to be a success that occurs while you lose that estrogen. So which means, ensuring my insulin sensitivity is basically good by weight loss program, by way of life. It means resistance coaching now as a result of we lose that muscle mass principally yearly beginning in our mid-30s, muscle mass naturally goes down. And muscle is one in all our most protecting issues towards principally metabolic dysfunction as a result of muscle is sort of a enormous blood sugar sink. It takes up and makes use of glucose, takes it out of the bloodstream. And so, it actually helps with insulin resistance. So, if there’s one factor I might say to girls listening who is perhaps heading into that, it’s like, to begin with, get a full understanding of your metabolic well being, hopefully by blood biomarkers, by your physician or by a lab exterior of your physician, know the place you stand, study methods to get blood sugar underneath management, stabilize blood sugar, which we are able to definitely speak about. I do know we talked about quite a bit in our first episode collectively. After which actually, begin constructing muscle so that you go into menopause with a extremely good armor on, that’s principally an enormous blood sugar-stabilizing armor. So, that’s one factor that I simply hear a lot with girls. They’re figuring out 5 days per week, however they’re not truly constructing that muscle. And I believe you’ll be able to actually give it some thought as like a defend to buffer among the results of the dropping of estrogen in menopause. One of many girls who’re, one of many specialists who actually will get into this so deeply is Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who simply got here out with a e book known as Eternally Sturdy, all concerning the energy of muscle. And even one thing we haven’t realized till lately is that muscle is definitely a hormone-secreting organ. So, muscle truly secretes myokines, that are principally pro-metabolic anti-inflammatory hormones. And in order that’s only a actually highly effective instrument, resistance coaching, in the direction of buffering out a number of this.

Katie: I’m an enormous fan of her work and her e book as nicely. I believe for ladies, particularly, it’s such an essential matter together with all of the issues we’re speaking about actually as a result of such as you stated, these impression all of us, however particularly girls, we’ve got these different components to contemplate, particularly at totally different phases of life and hormones. And I really feel like we’ve made such an unimaginable, you will have, an unimaginable and robust case for the significance of understanding this information and utilizing it in an actionable manner. So, I’d like to take a while to see, I do know you will have an enormous dataset of what are the patterns you’re seeing of impactful adjustments folks could make, particularly as soon as they get this information and have entry to understanding what’s happening of their our bodies. Are there issues that appear usually and universally useful useful resource weight loss program or way of life adjustments that folks could make that may assist transfer issues in a constructive course?

Casey: Positively. So, it’s humorous. I simply, I used to be telling you earlier than we began recording, like I simply completed my first e book, which isn’t popping out for a very long time, however I’m sitting right here after ending the e book and turning into my writer, and I’m like, it’s 380 pages, and there’s like 1000’s of references. And I’m like, what, what’s the largest takeaway from this e book about metabolism and blood sugar? And I actually suppose one of many largest takeaways other than the plain, which is, like, get the refined sugars and the ultra-processed grains out of the weight loss program, which principally turns straight to glucose within the bloodstream and eat extra entire meals, like that one, type of a given. However the second is like, strolling might be probably the most highly effective superpower that we’ve got for metabolic well being, and we simply don’t emphasize it sufficient. And that to me, prefer it’s simply studying all these papers, taking a look at all this analysis, taking a look at all our ranges information. We should be strolling a lot extra as a tradition. So now, the common American is strolling about 4,000 steps a day, which is about two miles. And while you take a look at like fashionable hunter-gatherer tribes, they’re strolling like 20,000 steps a day. So, like actually 5 instances extra. And what’s attention-grabbing is that strolling, despite the fact that it’s straightforward and it virtually looks like, how might that be so highly effective? Principally, the way in which I give it some thought is should you’re even strolling 10 ft, you’re activating virtually each main muscle group in your physique. You’re swinging your arms, you’re utilizing your legs, you’re utilizing the large muscle tissue of your legs, and even utilizing them at that basically low depth, it’s inflicting all these pathways inside these muscle cells to develop into activated. And so, there’s all these cell signaling pathways that basically convey glucose channels from the within of the cell to the cell membrane if the muscle is activated in any respect. And so, somebody who sits for three-hour stretches, which is a number of us, I imply, like, and doesn’t actually stand up or ever use that muscle, their glucose channels are simply going to be sitting contained in the cell inactive, and people cells aren’t going to be taking on glucose. However should you stand up and stroll for one minute each hour, you’re bringing these glucose channels to the cell membrane to take up glucose and use it. So, somebody who’s transferring even for one minute, each half-hour, each hour, their physique all day is principally bringing these receptors to the membrane to convey glucose out of the bloodstream. Now examine that to somebody who sits for like three-, four-hour chunks, possibly will get as much as go to the make a lunch, will get as much as go to the lavatory each few hours, however in any other case they’re simply sitting at their pc. That individual, their cells simply aren’t getting primed to take up glucose. And in order that glucose goes to remain within the bloodstream, it’s going to be extra erratic. And let’s say that individual even goes and does a exercise within the night after work. So, they’ve sat most all of the day, they usually work out for 35 minutes for an hour or no matter. That’s nice, but it surely doesn’t change the truth that throughout that complete remainder of the day, inside their cells, their glucose channels weren’t lively. So, we actually have to flip the script from this idea of like exercising is the reply to truly common low-grade motion is a big a part of the reply. Trigger it creates a completely totally different physiology within the physique all through the day.

So, just a little like psychological picture, I need folks to actually ingrain is that by setting an alarm in your iPhone each half-hour to stand up and do 5 air squats or to stroll round your residence or stroll across the perimeter of your home or stroll as soon as across the block. It’s not only for the sake of getting steps. It’s for the sake of actually giving your physique an lively sign to alter the cell signaling pathway, to convey glucose receptors, glucose channels to the cell membrane and hold your physique on this constitutively lively state of metabolism and glucose uptake. Exercising for an hour on the finish of the day will not be going to mitigate the results of sitting all day. And so, yeah, it’s simply each time you progress these muscle tissue, it’s actually sending a special sign to your physique. The analysis is fairly profound. Like should you, we speak quite a bit about 10,000 steps, however truly, a number of the analysis I checked out for the e book, the actual magic quantity seems to be 8,000 steps, and 10,000 is nice, and also you would possibly get some marginal profit, however someplace between the 8,000 to 12,000 steps is principally sufficient to scale back your threat of coronary heart illness, sort 2 diabetes, weight problems, stroke, despair by about 50%. So, if you will get a wearable and simply verify that you simply’re strolling no less than 8,000 steps a day, it’s principally equal to having the simplest treatment, like ever invented for any illness by way of prevention. Prefer it’s truly a lot, way more efficient. We don’t have any drugs that scale back threat that a lot for these illnesses. So, it’s near a silver bullet.

One other idea, I really feel like I’ve been grappling with just a little bit is that, you realize, is the idea actually of train virtually like distracting us from transferring extra all through the day? We expect that the idea of train is this concept that you’ve got this factor in your to-do checklist, and you need to test it out off each day, and that may make you more healthy. And sure, train is nice. However America spends extra on train than some other nation on the earth, and we’re among the many heaviest and getting sicker. The typical American family spends $2,000 a yr on well being and fitness-related bills, and that quantity goes up over time. We now have extra gyms per capita than any nation in the whole world, and we’re one of many sickest and heaviest nations on the earth. So, there’s some disconnect between the quantity we’re spending on health, the quantity of gyms we’ve got, the quantity of “train” we’re working in the direction of, and our precise outcomes. And I believe that disconnect is the truth that we’ve overemphasized this idea of train, and we’ve under-emphasized the idea of simply transferring your physique extra commonly.

And while you take a look at like Dan Buettner’s work within the blue zones, this is smart. The populations which have probably the most centenarians, the individuals who dwell to 100, are the populations who motion is simply in-built to their on a regular basis life. Whether or not it’s farming or strolling lengthy distances to get issues that they want for simply the day by day dwelling. And so, this creates an enormous problem for us as a result of now, in America, a number of us are information employees. We work at computer systems. That’s simply the truth. We’re not going to return and all develop into farmers, nor ought to we essentially. However what it does imply is we do must get very inventive about our day-to-day lives as a result of simply because we’re information employees doesn’t imply that we are able to truly cease transferring if we need to keep wholesome. This would possibly imply standing desk. This would possibly imply treadmill desk. This would possibly imply setting an alarm each half-hour in your telephone and doing these 5 pushups, 5 air squats, strolling round your home or residence. This would possibly imply having the default for your whole calls be strolling conferences. It’d imply rescheduling your subsequent few dinner dates or espresso dates to be strolling or climbing dates. It’s simply having to be actually daring and inventive to by some means construct motion into our day-to-day lives as computer-based information employees as a result of there’s actually no manner of getting round it. We both transfer or we get sick. And in order that’s a protracted reply to your query. However we actually have to begin getting extra inventive about marrying the fashionable world that we’re dwelling with, dwelling in with the truth of our biology, which is that low-grade motion all through the day is completely essential and unavoidable if you wish to be optimally wholesome. In order that’s a movement-focused one.

We already talked about resistance coaching, which I believe is one other factor, particularly for ladies. It’s like gotta incorporate it. I’ve so many conversations with folks, with Ranges members who say, “I’m caught, and I’m not getting the outcomes I need, and I’m doing all the pieces proper. I’m maintaining a healthy diet, I’m sleeping, I’m meditating, I’m figuring out 5 days per week.” And invariably, I say, “Are you resistance coaching?” They usually say, “No.” In order that’s an enormous one. We acquired to construct the muscle.

After which from the meals standpoint, I’d say, one of many largest sensible takeaways that I’ve seen from our Ranges information, and, at this level, we’ve got over 500 million glucose information factors. We’ve had many tens of 1000’s of individuals undergo this system and log their meals. And one of many largest issues I’ve seen is that breakfast, basically breakfast, could make or break somebody’s day metabolically. So, if there’s one meal you’re going to deal with bettering for you and your children and your loved ones, it’s breakfast. And the explanation I say it is because what we see in our dataset is that among the best possible scoring issues on our dataset are breakfast, and among the very worst, like worse than dessert scoring issues that we see in our dataset are breakfast. And I might assume that on each ends, folks suppose that they’re making wholesome decisions. And so, as an example, on the unhealthy finish the place we see the most important glucose spikes, it’s issues like, it’ll be folks consuming issues like granola or on the spot oatmeal or a bit of entire grain toast. We all know that pastries, like donuts and bagels and muffins, that these are going to be unhealthy, and people are definitely within the excessive glucose spike class. However a few of these extra seemingly benign meals like toast or oatmeal or some cereals that is perhaps low-fat or may appear wholesome like granola. A few of the largest spikes we see in our dataset are these.

And so, then you definitely’ve acquired on the opposite facet, you’ve acquired some breakfasts that don’t trigger just about any glucose spikes. So, these are issues we see like eggs and avocado, eggs and greens, even eggs and bacon, or eggs and floor beef, frittata, chia pudding. We get lots of people who log what’s known as the fab for smoothie, which is the smoothie recipe that Kelly LeVeque, celeb nutritionist Kelly LeVeque, popularized. She’s one in all our advisors. And it’s wonderful to see how many individuals log that smoothie, however principally, it’s like a really well-balanced smoothie of protein, fats, fiber, and greens and really low glycemic. That scores rather well. So, I believe the takeaway for me is that, basically like, eliminating these meals which have the refined grains or any processed grains in them, cereals, toast, bagels, clearly pastries, muffins, croissants, issues like that. Simply these have a tendency to only actually, actually crush folks. Follow the protein and fat-forward, fiber-forward breakfast. As a result of while you begin your day with a extra steady glucose, what we see is that folks are likely to hold the glucose extra steady all through the remainder of the day. And a part of this is because of the truth that in case you have an enormous glucose spike first within the morning, typically what is going to occur is that you simply spike and then you definitely crash. And while you crash, that’s typically when folks mid-morning really feel drained and like they want one other cup of espresso they usually would possibly really feel cravings, they want just a little snack, would possibly even really feel some anxiousness. That’s what occurs when you will have a glucose crash, and people crashes occur usually after a spike. You don’t have a crash after you will have like a low, in case you have a low glucose elevation after a meal, you often received’t crash, it’ll simply be extra steady. However an enormous spike often get an enormous crash. That crash is known as reactive hypoglycemia. And there was a extremely attention-grabbing paper truly in Nature Metabolism final yr, like premier medical journal, that confirmed that the extent of these post-meal crashes, reactive hypoglycemia was predictive of what number of carbohydrates folks would eat in that complete day and the way hungry they might be that day. So principally, you spike your self and crash your self, you’re going to be craving extra carbs that day, you’re going to most likely eat extra energy over the next 24-hour durations. So, should you can stabilize your glucose for breakfast, you’re setting your self up for like a 24 hours of success and fewer craving. So yeah, simply actually getting the refined grain breakfasts out of the rotation, I believe, is without doubt one of the very best issues you are able to do to begin your morning robust, hold your vitality steady, and scale back your cravings all through the remainder of the day.

Katie: These are such superior suggestions. I used to be taking notes as you had been talking, and I do know that by Ranges, you guys have a selected provide to assist folks be capable to take all that information under consideration as nicely. In order that can be linked within the present notes for you guys listening on the go, that’s, [email protected].

And I really feel like we by no means have sufficient time after we get to speak since you’re such a wealth of information, and we might chat all day lengthy. So maybe we are able to do one other spherical generally as nicely. However this has been so useful and so actionable. And I really like how deep and particular you bought to go on all these totally different subjects that I believe actually might be impactful for everybody listening. So, Casey, thanks a lot on your time. This has been such a pleasure, and I’m so grateful that you simply had been right here.

Casey: Oh, it’s completely my pleasure. And as we had been chatting, I noticed that for among the biomarkers, I gave optimum ranges, and for some, I didn’t. So, I’ll be certain to ship you the checklist of all of the optimum ranges for all of the checks that I discussed. And possibly these might be within the present notes, however like uric acid and whatnot and all these. So, need to be certain folks have these, however I’ll observe up with all of these for you.

Katie: That sounds excellent. And I’ll be certain in addition to hyperlinks too. I do know you guys have an incredible quantity of instructional materials on all of this for folks to continue learning and that you simply launch a number of content material round it as nicely. So, all of these hyperlinks can be within the present notes, however I’m deeply grateful on your time. Thanks a lot for being right here immediately.

Casey: Thanks, Katie.

Katie: And thanks as all the time to you for listening and sharing your most precious sources, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us immediately. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the The Wellness Mama Podcast.

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